Posts by Touchofgrey

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Touchofgrey

https://share.google/yYawxxRNmKlVor534

Sea breeze

The definition of a fact is a thing that is known or proved to be true. You have not done that. None of those 12 points are facts they have been debunked on this forum before, and by biblical scholars with PhDs in biblical studies and have published peer reviewed articles and books on the subject.

Atheist don't believe in miracles so please stop making statements that they do.

Regarding the 6 points you have raised I don't have a PhD in any of these subjects so I am not qualified to give answers to those points that you have raised so if you are sincere and are really looking for answers, the best thing you can do is go to a library and read books on these subjects by people who have spent years studying and have a PhD in each particular field. Or you can find information on these things on YouTube presented by people with PhDs.

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What was your deconstruction process from being a jw?

by Touchofgrey in

i became aware of jws and the un ,so i checked the internet and found it was true that they were a member, and that led me down the rabbits hole and started to look into the history of the bible students and the behaviour of russell and rutherford etc ,and how much the teaching changed and the internal politics and the failed end of the world teachings etc.. i then found myself in a no man's land regarding god and the bible, i then began to use critical thinking regarding the bible and if there was a god , looking into the origins of the bible and it's stories eg adam and eve story, flood legends, exodus from egypt and if the jesus story was historical or not etc .. looking at the origin of our universe and the planet earth led me to the conclusion that no god exists.

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the purpose of this topic is just to understand your deconstruction purpose from the jws and not to get into arguments about our now held beliefs or lack of.

Touchofgrey

I became aware of jws and the UN ,so I checked the internet and found it was true that they were a member, and that led me down the rabbits hole and started to look into the history of the bible students and the behaviour of Russell and Rutherford etc ,and how much the teaching changed and the internal politics and the failed end of the world teachings etc.

I then found myself in a no man's land regarding god and the bible, I then began to use critical thinking regarding the bible and if there was a god , looking into the origins of the bible and it's stories eg Adam and eve story, flood legends, exodus from Egypt and if the jesus story was historical or not etc .

Looking at the origin of our universe and the planet earth led me to the conclusion that no god exists.

The purpose of this topic is just to understand your deconstruction purpose from the jws and not to get into arguments about our now held beliefs or lack of.

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Touchofgrey

https://share.google/MCkv8ig53h5EzHX5q

Can you please define what you mean by the term nothing.

You have yet to provide verified evidence of the empty tomb mythology?

Miracles depend on a supernatural powers so no I don't believe in miracles.

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Touchofgrey

https://www.gcrr.org/post/minimalfactsapologetics

The minimal facts argument has been debunked also on this forum.

I don't believe in miracles.

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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?

by Sea Breeze in

simply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.

that's how they sold it.

the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!

Touchofgrey

Sea breeze

Extra ordinary claims demand extra ordinary evidence.

The empty tomb myth has been debunked many times on this forum because of a lack of verified evidence and yet you continue to make the same unfounded claims.

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Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler.

by BoogerMan in

(matthew 24:36) “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".

(jesus seems to have forgotten to include the holy spirit not knowing either).

(acts 1:7) "he said to them: “it does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the father has placed in his own jurisdiction.".

Touchofgrey

Trinity mythology has been around before christianity even thought of the idea .

Sumerian,Hinduism, ancient Egypt and Greek and Roman mythology.

The trinity belief is based on that a miracle worker called jesus existed and was killed and raised from the dead, there is no independently verified evidence that such a person ever existed, there was possibly a apocalyptic preacher who was killed by the Romans and the mythology of the jesus story started from that .

So the Christian concept of a trinity is like all the other trinity's beliefs which are based on myths.

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How Can The Governing Body Be Considered The "Channel Of Communication" From Jehovah Without Being Inspired . . . How Is That Possible???

by AbaddonProvesIt in

video # 1,246: how can the governing body be considered the "channel of communication" from jehovah without being inspired .

the collapse of governing body member jeffrey winder's arguments: a critical look at a jehovah's witness excuse [by watchtower examination, winston gillum - montego bay, jamaica].

the governing body of jehovah's witnesses believe & teach millions upon millions of jehovah's witnesses world wide that they as a body, are not inspired or infallible.

Touchofgrey

The governing body is manmade and its purpose is to control and manipulate people with the uninspired word of man.

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The Coming Global Salvation - (Not Universalism)

by Sea Breeze in

the overwhelming majority of the early church leaders (fathers) were premillennial and believed in a literal 1000 yr. kingdom.

today, 2/3 of christians are amillennial.

i do not want to imply that amilennialists, are not christian.

Touchofgrey

Its not just the jw hierarchy that uses physiological manipulation and coercive control over its followers, ALL religion's use there man made doctrines to control and manipulate their followers .

People just need to take some time to educate themselves about what physiological manipulation and coercive control is and how it is used to gain control over people.

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Place of a Skull...Whose Skull?

by peacefulpete in

i'll just shoot this short comment that i found interesting.

the gospel of mark at 15:22 says: then they brought him to the place golgotha, which is translated, place of a/the skull (singular noun).. it might be surprising to learn there is no ancient record of any topographical location called "place of the skull".

so, is that because of loss of information or is it suggestive that the 'place of the skull' had more christological meaning?

Touchofgrey

Thanks again peacefulpete.

Legend says that shem and melchizedek recovered Adams body from Noah's ark and angels guided them to golgotha to bury his bones so the blood of christ flowed down to cleanse Adams bones of original sin.

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Is Belief in Jesus Enough to be Saved? Or Does it Include Believing Jesus?

by Sea Breeze in

i don't think it is possible to believe in jesus and then not believe what he said.

the purpose of the watchtower organization is to take as many people to hell as possible.

they do this by tricking people into rejecting the bare minimum requirements for the free gift of salvation that jesus offered to ”whosoever”.. one of the stipulations for salvation is belief that jesus was raised from the dead:.

Touchofgrey

Your free to believe in what ever you want regardless if it's true or not.

There is no evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed.

And if he did, again their is no way to confirm with any certainty that he said those words. As the gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events.